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Originally E-mailed: Monday, 26 August 2013 15:46

Just a couple more things on this, because it is such an important segue into what is going on in our world and has been used to justify such a restriction of freedoms and the introduction of the entire invasion of privacy that Edward Snowden has been pointing to; not to mention the Patriot Act…

Thank you to Steve Pieczenik for reminding us that Osama bin Laden died of Marfan syndrome prior to 9/11. To quote him:

for those of you just coming in…I said ten years ago that Osama died before 9/11/2001 of complications from Marfan syndrome

Steve was in a position to know, and he has said this in many forums.

Also, if you still can’t believe that those heading American governments could do this, Cathy O’Brien’s book Trance:Formation of America is essential reading. Let’s start with the fact that Gerald Ford was the porno pimp for the local mafia when she first met him, when he came to meet her father to negotiate Cathy’s placement into Project Monarch. Only to then become a POTUS.

Seriously, if you have not taken the time and will not take the time to read Cathy’s experiences, then you are not really interested in understanding how your and my world works. I mean it. You clearly don’t want to tug that thread sticking of the edge of your perceived reality because you fear the consequences – and perhaps do not belong on this list, because its purpose it to have you pull that thread if you haven’t, and share other threads with you if you already have.

Finally, if you look into it, you will find that the steel and other material (the steel having been conveniently cut up into good loadable sized chunks) was almost immediately begun to be shipped off to Asia for reprocessing, in complete contravention of the regulations relating to the handling of a criminal site such as this.

Don’t take my word for it. Go look. It’s all on the ‘net.

Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013 11:07

Thank you, Susan.

The discrepancy between the 9/11 Commission Report and Secretary Mineta’s testimony has been long known – though, of course, no-one in the mainstream media talks about it, or to my knowledge has ever talked about it.

To quote Joseph Goebbels:

“the principle & which is quite true in itself & that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily”

Or as it is often paraphrased: “The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed.”

In my experience, few have stood back and looked at what happened that day. My segue into this with those who were around in 1963 and are old enough to remember, is to ask them what they were doing when they heard of the assassination of JFK. Without hesitation in my experience, they tell me where they were and what they were doing. And if you were around then, I’m sure the answer is top of mind right now.

So then I ask them why they remember this so clearly? Usually they don’t know; at which point, I explain that this is what happens as a result of a traumatic experience. Your mind is imprinted. All details around you and what is happening is imprinted without any questioning, any of the filtering we would usually apply. It is taken as truth.

Then I ask them to reflect on how the mainstream media broadcast supposedly informed views on what happened at 9/11, feeding straight into the minds of all watching, as if mesmerised. And so, the official story is sold – planted really – without any reflection. It just is what happened.

For most of us, it was years before we began to question what went on, even those who should know better. Any professional engineer or architect worth his salt will know that the only circumstances in which a building falls at free-fall speed into its own footprint is when it is professionally demolished. Period. No exceptions. But even for them, this knowledge was overridden by the story about jet fuel melting the steel. It’s simply nonsense.

And then there’s Building 7…

Thank you to Richard Gage, an architect and the founder of for starting to wake us up. Well me, anyway.


Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013 10:10
Subject: [New post] Secretary Mineta Confirms Dick Cheney Ordered Stand Down on 9/11

Secretary Mineta Confirms Dick Cheney Ordered Stand Down on 9/11

by slindauer2010

Former Transportation Secretary Also Reveals Lynn Cheney Was in Presidential Emergency Bunker, and Contradicts 9/11 Commission Report’s Account of Dick Cheney’s Timetable

Aaron Dykes / JonesReport | June 26, 2007

Former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta answered questions from members of 9/11 Truth about his testimony before the 9/11 Commission report.

Mineta says Vice President Cheney was “absolutely” already there when he arrived at approximately 9:25 a.m. in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) bunker on the morning of 9/11. Mineta seemed shocked to learn the 9/11 Commission Report claimed Cheney had not arrived there until 9:58– after the Pentagon had been hit, a report that Mineta definitively contradicted.

Norman Mineta revealed that Lynn Cheney was also in the PEOC bunker already at the time of his arrival, along with a number of other staff.

Mineta is on video testifying before the 9/11 Commission, though it was omitted from their final report. He told Lee Hamilton:

“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out…and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?”

Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, “When I overheard something about ‘the orders still stand’ and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down.”

Mineta was still in the PEOG bunker when the plane was reported down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

“I remember later on when I heard about the Shanksville plane going down, the Vice President was right across from me, and I said, ‘Do you think that we shot it down ourselves?’ He said, ‘I don’t know.’ He said, ‘Let’s find out.’ So he had someone check with the Pentagon. That was about maybe, let’s say 10:30 or so, and we never heard back from DoD until probably about 12:30.

And they said, ‘No, we didn’t do it.'”

The two hour time delay is suspicious given the Vice President’s own account of the dedicated video communications available that morning, as he told it to Tim Russert of Meet the Press on September 16, 2001 .

“We had access, secured communications with Air Force One, with the secretary of Defense over in the Pentagon. We had also the secure video conference that ties together the White House, CIA, State, Justice, Defense–a very useful and valuable facility. We have the counter-terrorism task force up on that net. And so I was in a position to be able to see all the stuff coming in, receive reports and then make decisions in terms of acting with it.”

At a bare minimum, this confirmation by Norman Mineta constitutes a gross contradiction to the 9/11 Commission Report, and poses serious questions about the Vice President’s role in ordering NORAD to stand down on 9/11.

Norm Mineta – U.S. Secretary of Transportation 2001 – 2006. U.S. Secretary of Commerce 2000 – 2001. Senior Vice President, Lockheed Martin 1995 – 2000. Former 12-term Congressman from California 1971 – 1995. Currently, Vice Chairman of the Board, Hill & Knowlton.

9/11 Commission testimony 5/23/03:

Lee Hamilton: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center [PEOC]. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

Norm Mineta: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to, “The plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?” Well, at the time I didn’t know what all that meant. And —

Lee Hamilton: The flight you’re referring to is the–

Norm Mineta: The flight that came into the Pentagon. … (Preview)

Norm Mineta: I didn’t know about the order to shoot down. I arrived at the PEOC at about 9:20 a.m. And the president was in Florida, and I believe he was on his way to Louisiana at that point when the conversation that went on between the vice president and the president and the staff that the president had with him.

Tim Roemer: So when you arrived at 9:20 [at the Presidential Emergency Operating Center in the White House], how much longer was it before you overheard the conversation between the young man and the vice president saying, “Does the order still stand?”

Norm Mineta: Probably about five or six minutes.

Tim Roemer: So about 9:25 or 9:26. And your inference
was that the vice president snapped his head around and said, “Yes, the order still stands.” Why did you infer that that was a shoot-down?

Editor’s note: Secretary Mineta’s testimony directly contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report on two key points and it is entirely omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report.

1. Mr. Mineta testified he arrived at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) in the White House at 9:20 a.m. and observed Vice President Dick Cheney discussing with an aide that the incoming Flight 77 was 50 miles out at 9:25 or 9:26. The 9/11 Commission Report maintains Vice President Cheney did not arrive at the PEOC until 9:58, over 30 minutes later. Mr. Mineta’s testimony is further supported by the fact that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37, which is the correct time it would have taken Flight 77 to arrive at the Pentagon, if it had been about 50 miles out at 9:26.

2. The Commission Report maintains the government did not know the whereabouts of Flight 77 prior to 9:32, when Dulles Tower air controllers “observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed”. Mr. Mineta’s testimony reveals Vice President Cheney was being informed of the plane’s position for several minutes before that, and perhaps considerably longer. [Ask yourselves how did anyone on the ground know a random aircraft in flight on that morning intended to strike the Pentagon? There’s no possible way anybody could know that– So why was Dick Cheney so certain the plane should be shot down?]

Also of interest, is that the first approximately 15 minutes of Mr. Mineta’s testimony before the Commission during which he discusses the points mentioned above, have been edited out of the official 9/11 Commission video archives (Panel 1, Friday, May 23. 2003). However, his full testimony does appear in the written transcript.


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